This video was a three way with Ronnie Lee, famously the best known of the co-founders of the Animal Liberation Front (ALF) in the 1970s and long-time spokesperson for the ALF, and long-time animal liberation prisoner.
This is Aaron's description of the event on YouTube:
In this interview with Roger Yates and Ronnie Lee, we explore these questions and more: What is veganism? Is it a diet, a set of philosophical commitments, a commitment to activism, or something else? Is Paul Bashir correct that veganism is, and has always been, *only* about animals? What can we learn from the founders of the vegan movement, and what misconceptions do modern activists have about the history of veganism? What does it mean to be an activist, and what do different definitions mean for differently abled activists? Do activists expose themselves to too much trauma? How can activists do a better job reaching ordinary people who are new to veganism? What do real Animal Liberation Front activists think about the portrayal of the ALF in the movie, Okja?
Here's the video and (below) the individual vlogs Ronnie and I made with Aaron.